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IETF-100 trans minutes

Session 2017-11-13 1550-1720: Orchard - Audio stream - trans chatroom

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          IETF 100
          trans WG
          
          dkg taking notes
          rsalz jabber scribing
          
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          Question to room: are there objections in the room to Melinda and Paul
          knocking out text to clear AD review for threat analysis draft?
          
          No objections in the room.
          
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          Linus Nordberg presents about Gossip
          
          open question about whether we should refactor it.
          
          Not many people have read the gossip draft.
          
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          6962bis has no editors in the room.
          
          ekr went through the revised document.  the issues he found should be
          resolvable relatively quickly.
          
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          Diego Lopez presents short-lived certs
          
          first proposal seems to mix the idea about short-lived certs with
          privacy-focused cert redaction.
          
          STAR proposal has one long metacertificate which covers a range of
          short-lived certificates.
          
          This appears to be the moral equivalence of OCSP-must-staple
          
          ekr+david+rsalz says that the it's unsafe to issue certs with less
          than 1 day because clients clocks are sloppy
          
          Without this STAR "collapsed cert series" proposal, log size will
          grow, increasing cost to log operators (storage + bandwidth) and log
          monitors (bandwidth).
          
          Yoav Nir announces discussion about short-term certs Thursday evening.
          
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          Tadahiko Ito (Secom) presents Name Redaction
          
          draft-strad-trans-redaction-01
          
          motivates the need for this based on IoT devices that do not need full
          web visibility.
          
          some discussion around whether redaction is hash-based or just
          entirely scrubbed.
          
          open question about whether geo-information in certificate signed by
          public CA is even possible.
          
          symantec has issued 2 billion device certificates, to external devices.
          
          some dispute over whether the use case described actually makes sense
          -- if these are public devices, they should be on the public
          infrastructure.  if they're not, they can use private CAs.
          
          Ben Schwartz: raises DoS attack on the basis of domain name
          publication.
          
          Melinda Shore suggests returning to the CAB Forum
          
          Hum: should IETF work on name redaction?   some hums for yes, silence
          for no.
          
          What's going on with the Client Behavior draft?  we need browser
          vendors to supply a draft, but none are volunteering.  Chrome CT folks
          aren't present at all.
          
          ekr says we should shut down the group if there are no active drafts.
          
          



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