* WGs marked with an * asterisk has had at least one new draft made available during the last 5 days

Mmusic Status Pages

Multiparty Multimedia Session Control (Active WG)
Art Area: Adam Roach, Alexey Melnikov, Ben Campbell | 1993-Jun-24 —  
Chairs
 
 


IETF-100 mmusic minutes

Session 2017-11-16 1330-1530: VIP A - Audio stream - mmusic chatroom

Minutes

minutes-100-mmusic-00 minute



          ul.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-0{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-7{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-8{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-5{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-6{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}ul.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-3{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-4{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-1{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-2{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-8{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-7{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-6{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-8>li{counter-increment:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-8}.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ul.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-1{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-0{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-5{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-4{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-3{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-2{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-8{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-7{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ul.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-6{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-5{list-style-type:none}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-4.start{counter-reset:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-4
          0}ul.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-0{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ul.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-4{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-3{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-2{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-6>li{counter-increment:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-6}ul.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-1{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-0{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-1{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-2{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-3{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-4{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-6{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-5{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}ul.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-7{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-0{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-6{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-4{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-7{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-5{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-2{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-8{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-2{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-1{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-3{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-4{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-0{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-3{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-1{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-3.start{counter-reset:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-3
          0}.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ul.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-6{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-5{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ul.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-8{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-7{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-8{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-4>li:before{content:""
          counter(lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-4,lower-latin)
          ". "}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-8>li:before{content:""
          counter(lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-8,lower-roman)
          ". "}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-2>li:before{content:""
          counter(lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-2,lower-roman) ".
          "}ul.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-7{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-8{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ul.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-5{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-6{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ul.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-3{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-0>li:before{content:""
          counter(lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-0,decimal) ".
          "}ul.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-4{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-1{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}ul.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-2{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}ul.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-0{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-8{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-3>li{counter-increment:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-3}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-6>li:before{content:""
          counter(lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-6,decimal) ".
          "}ul.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-6{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-5{list-style-type:none}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-0.start{counter-reset:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-0
          0}.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}ul.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-4{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-3{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-2{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-1{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-0{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-1{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-2{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ul.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-0{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-5{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-6{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-3{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-8{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-4{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_qcy269r2sc7k-7{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-7{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-6{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-5{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ul.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-4{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-3{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-2{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-1{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-0{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-5{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ul.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-6{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-7{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}ul.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-8{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}ul.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-1{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ul.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-2{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-4>li{counter-increment:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-4}ul.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-3{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-4{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-7{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_b6qs6580b60i-8{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-8{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-7{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-6{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-5{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-4{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-0{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-3{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-2{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-1{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-0{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-7{list-style-type:none}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-8{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-3{list-style-type:none}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-4{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-5{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-6{list-style-type:none}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-1.start{counter-reset:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-1
          0}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-0{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-1{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-2{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_erttq77o4ul4-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-4{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-5{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-2{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-3{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-0{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-1{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-5>li{counter-increment:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-5}.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_4rymtugh1r8v-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-8{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_wgu27i1uqhji-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ul.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-6{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_32ava8xmh2s4-7{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_g3y5g83xi4j7-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-2.start{counter-reset:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-2
          0}.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_rjr5gu1epd4s-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-5>li:before{content:""
          counter(lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-5,lower-roman) ".
          "}ul.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-8{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-7{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-1>li:before{content:""
          counter(lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-1,lower-latin) ".
          "}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-5.start{counter-reset:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-5
          0}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-3>li:before{content:""
          counter(lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-3,decimal) ".
          "}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-2>li{counter-increment:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-2}.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-8.start{counter-reset:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-8
          0}.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-3>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-1>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-7>li:before{content:""
          counter(lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-7,lower-latin) ".
          "}ul.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-8{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ul.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-7{list-style-type:none}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-7.start{counter-reset:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-7
          0}ul.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-6{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-1{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-0>li{counter-increment:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-0}ul.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-0{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_cijiiy7dv1lh-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-5{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-4{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-3{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_roo63iklqojt-2{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-7>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-1>li{counter-increment:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-1}.lst-kix_8op6tg8hims7-5>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ol.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-6.start{counter-reset:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-6
          0}.lst-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-7>li{counter-increment:lst-ctn-kix_ghs8jzugbri9-7}ul.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-6{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-7{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-0>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_uhoxyp8xyi0r-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}ul.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-8{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-8>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_l4n06sia0xlv-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-2>li:before{content:"\0025a0
          "}.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-4>li:before{content:"\0025cb
          "}ul.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-2{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-4{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-3{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-3{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-4{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-6{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-5{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-5{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-0{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-0{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-2{list-style-type:none}.lst-kix_fg22gflbm6li-6>li:before{content:"\0025cf
          "}ul.lst-kix_obefgt5l86qf-1{list-style-type:none}ul.lst-kix_wgzqt9q7rhvh-1{list-style-type:none}ol{margin:0;padding:0}table
          td,table
          th{padding:0}.c7{padding-top:0pt;padding-bottom:0pt;line-height:1.15;orphans:2;widows:2;text-align:left;height:11pt}.c8{padding-top:0pt;padding-bottom:0pt;line-height:1.15;orphans:2;widows:2;text-align:left}.c3{color:#000000;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;font-size:16pt;font-style:normal}.c2{color:#000000;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;font-size:11pt;font-style:normal}.c13{padding-top:18pt;padding-bottom:6pt;line-height:1.15;page-break-after:avoid;text-align:left}.c5{color:#000000;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;font-style:normal}.c9{padding-top:0pt;padding-bottom:0pt;line-height:1.15;text-align:left}.c11{background-color:#ffffff;max-width:468pt;padding:72pt
          72pt 72pt
          72pt}.c6{padding:0;margin:0}.c12{margin-left:36pt;padding-left:0pt}.c14{font-weight:400;font-family:"Arial"}.c1{color:inherit;text-decoration:inherit}.c10{color:#1155cc;text-decoration:underline}.c0{font-weight:400;font-family:"Trebuchet
          MS"}.c4{font-size:21pt}.title{padding-top:0pt;color:#000000;font-size:26pt;padding-bottom:3pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
          MS";line-height:1.15;page-break-after:avoid;orphans:2;widows:2;text-align:left}.subtitle{padding-top:0pt;color:#666666;font-size:15pt;padding-bottom:16pt;font-family:"Arial";line-height:1.15;page-break-after:avoid;orphans:2;widows:2;text-align:left}li{color:#000000;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
          MS"}p{margin:0;color:#000000;font-size:11pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
          MS"}h1{padding-top:20pt;color:#000000;font-size:20pt;padding-bottom:6pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
          MS";line-height:1.15;page-break-after:avoid;orphans:2;widows:2;text-align:left}h2{padding-top:18pt;color:#000000;font-size:16pt;padding-bottom:6pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
          MS";line-height:1.15;page-break-after:avoid;orphans:2;widows:2;text-align:left}h3{padding-top:16pt;color:#434343;font-size:14pt;padding-bottom:4pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
          MS";line-height:1.15;page-break-after:avoid;orphans:2;widows:2;text-align:left}h4{padding-top:14pt;color:#666666;font-size:12pt;padding-bottom:4pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
          MS";line-height:1.15;page-break-after:avoid;orphans:2;widows:2;text-align:left}h5{padding-top:12pt;color:#666666;font-size:11pt;padding-bottom:4pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
          MS";line-height:1.15;page-break-after:avoid;orphans:2;widows:2;text-align:left}h6{padding-top:12pt;color:#666666;font-size:11pt;padding-bottom:4pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
          MS";line-height:1.15;page-break-after:avoid;font-style:italic;orphans:2;widows:2;text-align:left}Minutes
          of the Meeting: MMUSIC Working Group at IETF 100The MMUSIC working group
          met at IETF #100 in Singapore on Thursday November 16, 2017 from 13:30
          to 15:30.The meeting was chaired by Flemming Andreasen and Ari Keranen
          (filling in for Bo Burman)Nils Ohlmeier, Christer Holmberg,
          and the chairs took notes, and Jonathan Lennox acted
          as Jabber relay.The meeting was broadcast live and
          recorded by the Meetecho team. The recording is available
          at:https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=IETF100-MMUSIC-20171116-1330Below
          is the final agenda with links to the relevant sub-sections
          below:Thursday, November 16, 2017 (VIP A), 13:30-15:30  (120
          mins)================================================13:30-13:40
          Introduction and Status Update (10 mins, Chairs)13:40-14:10 Simulcast and
          RID - Open Issues (30 mins, Magnus Westerlund)Introduction and Status
          Update (Chairs)The chairs presented their slides with the agenda and
          an update about activities since the last meeting.Flemming reminded of
          the importance of document reviews. No comments on agenda.Publication
          was requested for RID draft but will be pulled back shortly. Discussed
          today.Trickle ICE moving forward with no issues.Looking for additional
          help on SDP-neg draft.Roni Even: have dependency in CLUE. Can check out if
          can volunteer.Christer Holmberg: available after bundle is doneice-sip-sdp
          working on one last comment from WGLC.Christer working on moving bundle
          forward.Also looking for help on msrp-usage-data-channel draft.- Jose
          Recio later volunteered and will join as co-authorLooking for new authors
          for data-channel-sdpneg draft.- Roni Even later volunteered and will join
          as co-authorAndrew Hutton: 3GPP dependency on the draft. Release -13. A
          company that cares about this should provide a name.Christer: same as with
          the previous draft; after Bundle could helpOpportunistic negotiation
          some discussion with the authors if it needs to include formall
          Offer/Answer (O/A) negotiation sections.Jonathan Lennox: discussion -
          SIPBRANDY draft the same thing? Should be merged? Ben Campbell (as AD):
          SIPBRANDY not chartered for anything normative. Jonathan: two docs is
          not helpful. Could take full SIPBRANDY doc here.Christer: don't
          care if two docs, problem is that none of the docs contain O/A. The
          SIP BRANDY doc is informative and refers to this draft but no details
          here. The MMUSIC draft should have normative O/A. Ben: history on this;
          opportunistic security was intended as "you can do this with existing
          standards". Not as normative "how to do it". Discovered
          that need profile for this, this draft was supposed to give SRTP
          details. Now going further specifying details. Don't know what
          the right solution is but in the process of having AD discussions. If
          do normative O/A, then comments about separate docs worth thinking
          about.Ali Begen: SDP directorate review doc had hundreds of pages. Lots
          of SDP stuff there. Flemming reviewed the doc already. No end-to-end
          review necessarily. Just registration check needed that it's well
          specified and believe it's possible to come up with interoperable
          implementation.Christer: question: there was an email regarding ART
          reviews. As one of the areas of ART review does that cover SDP?Ben:
          haven't talked about moving SDP reviews to ART; no plan that I'm
          aware of. Could consider things going to ART what went to RAI. Flemming:
          Is data-channel-sdpneg dependency?Roni: noticed that in datatracker a
          draft mentions it. No depenency mentioned. RFC4566 mentioned. Depends on
          sdpneg.Cullen Jennings: area source of confusion. Some docs don't
          need to be on the list. Once get rest of the docs in the cluster
          there, will move all that doesn't need to depend on something. May
          figure out depenceny later. May become non-issue and can sort in RFC
          editor Queue. If doc has no reason to depend on -bis doc should not
          use that. Flemming: specifically on 4566bis?Cullen: 4566bis is the
          one problem childFlemming: data-channel-sdpneg too?Magnus Westerlund:
          reference is to 4566-bis. That depends on data-channel-sdpneg.Cullen:
          don't find docs depending on data-channel-sdpnegRoni: mmusic-scpt-sdp
          shows up as a dependency on the data trackerColin Perkins: 4566bis depends
          on data-channel-sdpneg (registering attributes)Ali: don't remember why
          put it there to dependecy, maybe can move to informative reference. Will
          have to check.Colin: only reference to data-channel-sdpneg is in IANA
          registrations. "usage level" reference.Magnus: don't find
          where any other webrtc related docs reference 4566bisChrister: I have
          been looking into: bigger issue than 4566bis is ICE-bis references
          (5245bis). Reference 5245 but other drafts reference ICE-bis so they
          have indirect depencency. Differences between the -bis and 5245 that are
          substantial and implementors need to be aware of.Ben: the ADs kind of
          have a plan for this. The generel idea unlesss the draft has depenency
          on something new we can figure this out in RFC editor queue.Colin:
          we could take this out and just say this updates 4566bisFlemming:
          4566-bis discusses rework in IANA registryColin: trivial thing to take
          outSimulcast and RID - Open Issues (30 mins, Magnus Westerlund)Magnus
          presented his slides, which contained the following open issues:Found
          a few issues very recently. 1) Handling of related formats in RID and
          SimulcastNo objections or concerns.2) How to signal REDColin: which
          one mandating?Magnus: neither; need PTs in m-line. RID line would have
          payload types in "RTP header"Colin: if you only mention the
          RED PT you can only send thatMagnus: example of other formats that have
          associated formats that have PTs. Encapsulated in stream. Colin: can only
          send RED format but that will specify internally what is sentMagnus:
          we need clarificationNo disagreement on that. Magnus will propose text
          on the list.Christer: are you going to propose the new text?Magnus:
          someone from the author team is going to propose new text3) Use of
          RepairedRtpStreamIdJonathan: grammar is terrible. Agree and want to
          point out that flex is already bundle depencency. But informal reference
          anyway.No objections. People in general agreement but bit of wordsmithing
          required.4) Dynamic bindings and redundancyMagnus: Text to be written and
          sent to the list. Will not do anything to bundle but issue potentially
          exists there too. Less problem there.Jonathan: might be problem even
          with non-bundle if change SSRCs. Something that has been around forever
          but just noticed it? Having repair flow with different SSRCs and changing
          the primary.Magnus: mostly been using binding labelsColin: payload format
          has been broken all along. Worked the way people used at the time and no
          one was interested in fixing this. Known problem. Don't use RTX is
          the solution.Magnus: will have documentation of the issueNo objections.5)
          Improving SDP examples in SimulcastMay steal examples from rtcweb-sdp. At
          least one more advanced example coming.Jonathan: the examples are
          unchanged from the PT based simulcast approach. Examples should use RIDs
          and no PTs at all. 3GPP chose what to do before we changed our minds on
          this.Magnus: need to modernize examples with full RID supportChrister:
          you may take the examples, but not point to rtc-sdp-examples as the
          source of truthMagnus: yes, just copy-paste relevant partsFlemming:
          Agreement with recommendation but per Jonathan's comment modify
          and add one example. Magnus: image restrictions and reduncancyNils:
          reviewed RTCWEB examples, good to have in same level or less than SDP
          examples. Confusing on what was the example doing.Magnus: need to maybe
          move simulcast examples up a level for people to understand. Can focus
          in simulcast on guidance.Flemming: One of the examples to be advanced
          to the samel level as we had in RTCWEB examples draft.6) Use of a=SSRC
          and a=ridRoni: OK with removing, but could modify it a bitConsensus to
          remove the paragraph.No need for new text in RID.7) Use of a=SSRC to
          pre-bind RID valueJonathan: whole thing that we went through few months
          ago with reference to bundleColin: where get SSRC clue?Magnus: previous
          signaling exchange, used for binding to RID. If use SSRC should have
          this.Colin: may still have collisions; nothing breaks badly when signaling
          is racing?Magnus: media can work during the collisionJonathan: if MID is
          broken it's a bigger deal. It's exactly the same mechanism, just
          one level down.Cullen: not sure if following problem; not hitting where
          the problem isMagnus: feature parity for signaling capabilities. Have
          mechanism for all cases but don't get RID bindingCullen: who
          would use and when?Mo: where this came from: originally besides having
          symmetry there. Chrome currently signals simulcast by signaling multiple
          SSRCs. Providing that RID binding seemed like a natural solution
          to move them to unified plan. So it seemed like the natural way from
          handcoded values to proper signaling. Adam Roach [not present in meeting]
          questioned why can't go directly to simulcast lines. The simulcast
          lines tells you that there are two different resolutions. Could prime
          decoder pipelines with the information. But not enough motivation for new
          spec for the interim spec.Mo: they put number of SSRC lines as number of
          simulcast lines. Different SSRC line is different simulcast line.Jonathan:
          not so much of what Chrome is doing/could do, rather than translate
          Chrome's dialect to standard format. If Chrome is not speaking RID,
          it needs SSRCs to do anything useful. For bundle don't need to set
          SSRC, rely on header extension. For compatibility for old system? Might be
          same motivation for RID as well. Not using header extension bits.Magnus:
          priming the whole decoder thing is possible, you only need to tell
          them the SSRCs, but we have a RID...Jonathan: append the bits to header
          section... (?)Mo: one more potential use case that not discussed with
          Adam; MID not sent on wire in RTP but signaled. Can do same with RIDs on
          binding and never send them on wire. Middlebox on wire could actually
          signal MIDs and RIDs and even manipulate even if not on RTP path. Not
          sure if want something like that. Could cause more issues. Indication to
          need RID - MID bindings.Nils: firefox sends MIDs, RID stuff is in latest
          ChromeMagnus: people moving to specified solutionNils: whole mess should
          be hopefully over soonMagnus: anyone thinks we should do this? So far
          neutral to negativeJonathan: my suggestion, architecturally cleaner to
          have it, but not going to fuss about itMagnus: can always specify new
          source specific parameters later. Separate doc later could fix this if
          we see more need for this. It's rough, but rough consesnsu seems to
          be not to do this.Flemming: seems group not motivated to do thisRough
          consensus: don't allow the a=ssrc pre-binding RID valuesNext stepsBen:
          the answer to need for targeted calls depends on chair assessment if
          everyone understands the proposed changes. Chairs: Anything else ?Roni:
          volunteers for the data-channel-sdpneg draft. Roni will be new co-author
          on data-channel-sdpneg.Jose Recio (jose.recio@cosmosoftware.io)
          volunteered for the msrp-usage-data-channel draft. Jose will be new
          co-author on that draft.
          
          



Generated from PyHt script /wg/mmusic/minutes.pyht Latest update: 24 Oct 2012 16:51 GMT -