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IETF-99 homenet minutes

Session 2017-07-17 1330-1530: Grand Ballroom - Audio stream - homenet chatroom

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          IETF 99 - Homenet Agenda
          
          Monday, July 17th, 2017
          13:30-15:30 Afternoon Session I
          Grand Hilton Ballroom
          
          0. Administrivia (5m)
          
          Blue Sheets
          Note taker - Tim Wicinski
          Jabber relay - Dan York
          
          1. WG Status Update - Chairs (5m)
          
          Updated Drafts:
          
          - draft-ietf-homenet-babel-profile-02
          - draft-tldm-simple-homenet-naming-02
          - draft-ietf-homenet-dot-09 (waiting on updated write-up)
          
          Other Drafts:
          
          - draft-ietf-homenet-redact-03 (in AD Evaluation, will lapse)
          
          Drafts on hold pending other docs:
          
          - draft-lemon-homenet-naming-architecture (expired)
          - draft-ietf-homenet-hybrid-proxy-zeroconf-02 (expired)
          - draft-ietf-homenet-front-end-naming-delegation-05 (expired)
          - draft-ietf-homenet-naming-architecture-dhc-options-04 (expired)
          
          2. Routing
          
          - draft-ietf-homenet-babel-profile-02 (Juliusz Chroboczek, 10m)
          
          -02 requires a nw sub-protocol for HNCP, and moved to new document.
          
          Committee created, and did not do any protocol work.
          
          Added security section to NOT recommend untrusted links.
          
          update with new reference to source-specific routing; review
          considerations
          Ready for Last Call
          
          - draft-boutier-babel-source-specific (Matthieu Boutier, 10m)
          
          Source Specific extension is required.
          
          Source Specific will require a New format.
          Simpler, but incompatible.
          
          3. Naming Architecture and Service Discovery
          
          - Distributed Keys for HNCP, Lemon
          
          HNCP offers key sharing but isn't secure. (DTLS but unclear)
          protocol picks a 'shared secret'
          
          * node generate public/private key pair
          * node shares public key
          * now you can do DTLS
          
          Ted willing to write the spec
          
          Barbara Stark(BS): exactly the right approach, willing to help
          
          Juliusz Chroboczek(JC): Really strong direction
          
          BS: Using X509 self-signed could achieve same goal as DTLS.
          
          TL:  Have to elect a signer.
          Should have the conversation of certs or keys are the right choice
          
          David Schinazi(DS): this is cool, but one of the sharp edges.
          Should be integral part of design
          
          TL: Think I agree with your motivation, but not with putting in this
          draft.
          This draft will go faster.
          
          - Experiences deploying DNCP in home network, Lemon
          
          three HNCP implementations
          hnetd
          pysyma
          shncpd  - used for readability.
          
          Then things went boom. Stopped working.  SAD!
          
          not ready for prime time.  we are not done yet.
          
          specifiction has some IPv4 addressing
          no naming architecture
          integrations that just work.
          
          DM(?)  use case different; a bit too much
          edge router not running hnetd could not build on Ubuntu
          
          (?): Being forced something to work. some IPv6Ping
          
          Mark Townsley(MT): target market in mind, should be vendors.
          
          George Michaelson (GM): Should not be disregarded. Real Experience.
          
          Lee Howard (LH): Thank you. Homenet hackathon project? no. Interopt
          Testing
          MT: Many OpenWRT options
          
          JC:
          
          UI gets graph of top
          wiki help
          
          - draft-tldm-simple-homenet-naming-00  (Ted Lemon, 30m)
          
          Name Resolution
          Provide Resolution
          Multihoming
          
          Andrew Sullivan (AS): Why host has a theory?
          TL: It has to.
          AS: Changing the scope to be simpler, which may be the right thing
          TL: What would we have done instead?
          AS: Always the worry
          
          BS: happy eyeballs to find which connection works better.  should be
          what is best connection
          DNS Query different responses based on locations.
          happy eyeballs solves DNS
          
          DS: Happy eyeballs solves this
          GM: Solved for one dimension....
          TL: Looks bad but solves really simple
          
          DM: multi provisioning domain?
          BS: No DNS Proxy
          
          Eric Vyncke (EV):
          DS: Draft
          Discovering Provisioning Domain Names and Data
          draft-bruneau-intarea-provisioning-domains
          
          Service Discovery: Discovery Proxy/Advertising Proxy
          SC:  Talked out.
          
          Every homenet router
          Discover Broker/Proxy
          Advertising Proxy
          Discover Relay
          
          using DNSSD to browse zones
          
          JC: Enjoying the discussions very much. Many moving pieces
          Sit and think on the list of requirements.
          list of scenarios. solve those scenarios.
          
          GM: Right to say close to done. Any confusion at the microphone may
          be looking
          for a much higher abstraction.  That is multi-dimensional problems.
          Introduce a broker idea.
          
          SC: Thanks Ted for taking initiative and doing this work.
          Did not have time to sync up on this. Need Diagrams.
          roadmap draft explains how moving parts fit together
          
          AS: Problem getting this published....
          
          TL: Often miss details when not writing code.
          
          Chairs: go to list for CFA
          
          Ray Bellis(RB):  Thanked Mark Townsley for his service as co-chair
          
          Meeting closed.
          
          



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